MY MOST RECENT CRAIGSLIST 'AUSTIN RANTS AND RAVES' POSTING BY MYSELF AT 3:32 A.M. TODAY (SATURDAY, MARCH 4, 2017) SEEKS TIPS ON HOW TO IDENTIFY A DEVIL-WORSHIPER IN AUSTIN, TEXAS

HOW CAN I TELL IF AN AUSTINITE IS A DEVIL-WORSHIPER? (Austin)

Six years have passed since a first-rate State of Texas-licensed private attorney in Houston, Texas, whom I contacted by telephone, attorney John Mayer, helpfully offered me his apparently very courageous and candid opinion from his Ross, Banks, Crow and Cavin law office in Houston, that I myself was apparently being victimized during that multi-week or multi-month time period by alleged devil-worshipers or alleged demonic-cult members inside my bolt-locked apartment unit at that time in which I was the only rent-paying official tenant and only approved occupant in northwest Austin.

Since that time, I have often wondered which warning signs I should look for to help me identify whether any given Austin resident is an alleged devil-worshiper or alleged demonic-cult member.

Does anyone have any advice or tips to offer on how I can quickly identify an alleged devil-worshiper or demonic-cult member in this state-capital city of Austin?

'TEXANS DON'T WANT DRAMA QUEENS SUCH AS YOURSELF IN OUR STATE!', CRAIGSLIST 'AUSTIN RANTS AND RAVES' SECTION ANONYMOUS RESPONDENT WARNS ME ON MARCH 3, 2017

RE: WHY DO CENTRAL TEXANS SEEK TO HOUND ME OR RAILROAD ME OUT OF TOWN? (Austin)

Dude. Get to the damn point. You used so much unnecessary verbiage I lost interest in seconds. From your post I can only conclude that you are a drama queen. Texan's don't want drama queens in their state, lol.
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(THE FOLLOWING IS THE 'AUSTIN RANTS AND RAVES' CRAIGLIST ONLINE-SERVICE POSTING AT ROUGHLY 4 A.M. FEBRUARY 27, 2017, THAT WAS WRITTEN BY MYSELF, JOHN KEVIN McMILLAN OF AUSTIN, AND THAT ELICITED THE ABOVE REPLY TO MYSELF THAT WAS POSTED ON FRIDAY, MARCH 3, 2017, AT ROUGHLY 4 A.M., BY AN ANONYMOUS WRITER WHOSE REPLY WAS SUBMITTED TO AND POSTED IN CRAIGSLIST'S 'AUSTIN RANTS AND RAVES' SECTION.)

WHY DO CENTRAL TEXANS SEEK TO HOUND ME OR RAILROAD ME OUT OF TOWN?(Austin)

Hours or days after I had moved to northwest Austin in August 2001, Travis County Clerk's Office Civil Probate Division Director David Ferris volunteered to me on the telephone during a local phone call I made to his county government office in downtown Austin from my rental apartment unit at that time (Apt. 1638) at Wind River Crossing Apartments in northwest Austin, that "There appears to be an attempt by numerous persons to drive you yourself out of the Austin area".

I have never received any elaboration from Mr. Ferris on that at any time since then. I have attempted to figure out, but with no success on that, if possibly Mr. Ferris had obtained "information" during his leisuretime through his own religious congregation or through the clergyman of his own church or synagogue, if applicable, that prompted Mr. Ferris to share that "candid insight" with me on the telephone from his Travis County Government office in August 2001.

However, in the late 1990s one highly-regarded State Bar of Texas member private attorney, John F. Campbell, a very distinguished 1960s alumnus of the University of Texas at Austin Law School, did state to me during a one-to-one legal consultation I had with him inside his law firm office at that time, the Campbell and Morgan Law Firm in downtown Austin, that Mr. Campbell believed that I myself was being "harassed" (exact quote on that) by one or more persons in Austin, Texas, he said.

Mr. Campbell initially stated to me that he suspected that "relatives" (exact quote) of mine were allegedly involved in that alleged harassment of me in Austin. Mr. Campbell later backed down from that legal opinion he had shared with me, stating that he was no longer of the opinion that any "relative" of mine was allegedly involved in the alleged harassment of me in Austin, Mr. Campbell said.

Mr. Campbell stated to me during that time period that he lacked the "objective evidence" about the source of the cited "harassment" of me that Mr. Campbell would have himself needed in order to himself file a lawsuit for me in a court of law in Travis County, he said.

Attorney John F. Campbell did advise me in writing, though, to myself refrain from directly contacting the Austin Police Department (APD) or Travis County Sheriff's Office or Travis County District Attorney's Office about cited alleged violations of my own privacy rights in Austin involving allegedly criminal conduct toward me by others.

Mr. Campbell also stated to me in writing in that same signed legal letter to me on his official law-firm stationery that he himself would himself handle any and all communications for me with APD and the Travis County Sheriff's Office and the Travis County DA's Office, that private attorney stated in writing in a signed legal letter he wrote and mailed to me in the late 1990s. Attorney John F. Campbell does not represent me at this time, I should also mention.

Does anyone know why ANY Austin residents, or ANY Central Texans, or ANY persons of some other background who are operating in Austin, Texas, would allegedly attempt to allegedly "hound" me or allegedly "harass" me or allegedly "stalk" me with the apparent intent of compelling me to move out of the greater Austin area to some other city or metro area of Texas, or to some small town or village or rural area of Texas --- or possibly with the alleged intent of compelling me to move to another U.S. state (a refuge state such as Utah or Idaho, I would assume) or a foreign nation (Canada or Australia, I would assume) for an expected "safe home" state or "safe home" nation for myself?

ADDITIONAL SUGGESTED QUESTIONS TO ASK AN ADULT YOUNGER PERSON WHEN YOU MEET THAT INDIVIDUAL FOR TEA AND FRIENDLY CONVERSATION:

(1) Are there any ways in which you feel that you are currently under-appreciated, or not appreciated enough by others, or underestimated as a human being?

(2) Do you believe in the concept of a natural high, and one example of this might be the "runner's high" that we so often hear about, for instance? If so, when was the most recent occasion in which you experienced a natural high in your own life?

(3) If you could write an autobiography or novel about your life at this point, what title would you give to that literary work by yourself?

(4) Of the skills you would like to learn but don't currently have, such as the ability to sew buttons onto shirts or the ability to cook an omelette or the ability to hit an overhead smash in tennis, which skills would you most like to learn sometime this year?

(5) Do you remember the last occasion when you experienced an intensity of fear that you later concluded may have been unjustifiable fear on your part?

(6) In which specific ways, if any, do you have difficulty identifying with or empathizing with, persons over age 30?

(7) How do you respond when a young person tells you that he "hopes he never has to experience the trauma of turning age 30" or he "hopes he never has to look at himself in the mirror and sense that he is unattractively ancient-looking"?

(8) Which period of American history intrigues you or fascinates you the most, and why?

(9) Which period of world history intrigues you or fascinates you the most, and why?

(10) Which annual holiday or cultural celebration, if any, do you dread the most, and among the possibilities on this are of course Valentine's Day, Christmas, Thanksgiving, Mother's Day, Father's Day, etc.

(11) Do you ever sense that any of your current acquaintances are possibly devil-worshipers or members of a satanic cult? If so, what prompted you to come to that tentative conclusion?

(12) Do you believe in the concept of sin, and if so, which types of sins are you most aware of committing?

(13) How often, if at all, do you worry about whether your own expected afterlife (if you do in fact believe in a possible afterlife) will somehow be unfavorable to you?

(14) Do you ever sense that possibly you have a "scandal" about yourself that only you know about, or that there may be a possible "skeleton in your closet", so to speak?

(15) When was the last time you had a truly wonderful evening or day in which you were sober and not high throughout that entire day or evening?

(16) Which strength of yours or personal attribute of yours do you believe most people tend to overlook or not notice, when you feel very confident that that particular strength of yours or personal attribute of yours is in fact phenomenally impressive, in your opinion?

(17) When persons older than you have disappointed you or wronged you in the past, which types of actions did they pursue that offended or annoyed or irked you?

(18) Which short-term goal or long-term goal of yours is a goal that you sometimes fear or sense you may never achieve, though you want very much to achieve that goal?

(19) When you are writing your memoirs someday about your own life, what do you plan to highlight in that planned book?

(20) Who is the most honest person you have ever met who is also a law-abiding person? Is that person a close personal friend of yours at present? If not, would you like to become a close personal friend with that individual?

(21) Of all the cruel or sadistic persons you have encountered in your life so far, who would you rank as the all-time cruelest or most sadistic of the persons you have actually met in person in your own life?

(22) Have you ever met a pathological liar, and if so, how did you respond to that situation?

(23) If you meet someone for the first time and you get an uneasy feeling about that individual, does this sometimes reflect your impression that he or she might be capable of committing a crime of some type that victimizes yourself or others?

(24) Of all of your current friends or acquaintances or neighbors or roommates or housemates, which one individual, if any, is the person you believe to be "most likely" to appear someday on an FBI Most Wanted List or on a list of terrorism suspects cited by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security?

(25) Are there any scenarios you ever rehearse in your own mind in which a news media company contacts you and asks you to comment publicly on whether you had had any indications at any prior time that the cited individual whom you had identified as a "friend" or "roommate" or "friendly acquaintance" or "neighbor" of yours, might later commit an alleged mass murder or might later be identified as an alleged serial killer?

(26) If you could have a one-to-one meeting in the Oval Office of The White House with our nation's current head of state in Washington, D.C., what would you tell President Trump?

(27) Do you ever feel good and energized and revitalized around any particular individual whom you believe has a good and healthy emotional effect on you?

(28) Do you believe in platonic love, and if not, do you at least agree that you have felt a strong sense of emotional fulfillment, such as in your upper chest, in the presence of and while interacting with at least one individual whom you had only minimal physical contact with, if at all, with any such physical contact not involving your or the other person's genitalia in any way?

'YOU ARE AN ARROGANT KNOW-IT-ALL JACKASS, AND YOU SOUND PARANOID AS HELL!', AN ANONYMOUS CRAIGSLIST 'AUSTIN RANTS AND RAVES' SECTION RESPONDENT DECLARES TONIGHT IN REPLYING TO A RECENT 'AUSTIN RANTS AND RAVES' POSTING FROM ME IN WHICH I POSED THE QUESTION: 'WHY DO CENTRAL TEXANS SEEK TO HOUND ME OR RAILROAD ME OUT OF TOWN?'

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Today (Thursday, March 2, 2017) at 9:55 PM


Your post makes u sound
Like an arrogant, know it
all jackass. But at the same time you sound
Paranoid as hell. You
Have pissed someone off
In a big way. You didnt
think you did anything wrong.you are a jackass.
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WHY DO CENTRAL TEXANS SEEK TO HOUND ME OR RAILROAD ME OUT OF TOWN?(Austin)

Hours or days after I had moved to northwest Austin in August 2001, Travis County Clerk's Office Civil Probate Division Director David Ferris volunteered to me on the telephone during a local phone call I made to his county government office in downtown Austin from my rental apartment unit at that time (Apt. 1638) at Wind River Crossing Apartments in northwest Austin, that "There appears to be an attempt by numerous persons to drive you yourself out of the Austin area".

I have never received any elaboration from Mr. Ferris on that at any time since then. I have attempted to figure out, but with no success on that, if possibly Mr. Ferris had obtained "information" during his leisuretime through his own religious congregation or through the clergyman of his own church or synagogue, if applicable, that prompted Mr. Ferris to share that "candid insight" with me on the telephone from his Travis County Government office in August 2001.

However, in the late 1990s one highly-regarded State Bar of Texas member private attorney, John F. Campbell, a very distinguished 1960s alumnus of the University of Texas at Austin Law School, did state to me during a one-to-one legal consultation I had with him inside his law firm office at that time, the Campbell and Morgan Law Firm in downtown Austin, that Mr. Campbell believed that I myself was being "harassed" (exact quote on that) by one or more persons in Austin, Texas, he said.

Mr. Campbell initially stated to me that he suspected that "relatives" (exact quote) of mine were allegedly involved in that alleged harassment of me in Austin. Mr. Campbell later backed down from that legal opinion he had shared with me, stating that he was no longer of the opinion that any "relative" of mine was allegedly involved in the alleged harassment of me in Austin, Mr. Campbell said.

Mr. Campbell stated to me during that time period that he lacked the "objective evidence" about the source of the cited "harassment" of me that Mr. Campbell would have himself needed in order to himself file a lawsuit for me in a court of law in Travis County, he said.

Attorney John F. Campbell did advise me in writing, though, to myself refrain from directly contacting the Austin Police Department (APD) or Travis County Sheriff's Office or Travis County District Attorney's Office about cited alleged violations of my own privacy rights in Austin involving allegedly criminal conduct toward me by others.

Mr. Campbell also stated to me in writing in that same signed legal letter to me on his official law-firm stationery that he himself would himself handle any and all communications for me with APD and the Travis County Sheriff's Office and the Travis County DA's Office, that private attorney stated in writing in a signed legal letter he wrote and mailed to me in the late 1990s. Attorney John F. Campbell does not represent me at this time, I should also mention.

Does anyone know why ANY Austin residents, or ANY Central Texans, or ANY persons of some other background who are operating in Austin, Texas, would allegedly attempt to allegedly "hound" me or allegedly "harass" me or allegedly "stalk" me with the apparent intent of compelling me to move out of the greater Austin area to some other city or metro area of Texas, or to some small town or village or rural area of Texas --- or possibly with the alleged intent of compelling me to move to another U.S. state (a refuge state such as Utah or Idaho, I would assume) or a foreign nation (Canada or Australia, I would assume) for an expected "safe home" state or "safe home" nation for myself?

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Title:() Any advice on questions I should pose to an adult younger person?

 I am always of course expecting to make some mutual-consent personal friends in my leisuretime who are younger or significantly younger than myself.

As I wait for that development to occur, I would like to ask any of you if you have suggested comments I could make in my inevitable first-ever tea and conversation meeting with a legal-status-adult younger person in Austin during my and that younger person's leisuretime?

For instance:

---Should I ask them what their favorite hobbies or pastimes are?

---Should I ask them what their "dream career" or "ideal career" would be, if they could somehow pursue that type of career sooner than expected?

---Should I ask them which fruits and vegetables are their favorites?

---Should I ask them what their pet peeves are as a human being?

---Should I ask them whether they believe that someone has significantly wronged themselves, and if so, in which specific ways?

---Should I ask them whether they currently expect to be living in Austin or Central Texas five or 10 years from now?

---Should I ask them what they do for G-rated (non-sexual) fun?

---Should I ask them what their leading platonic (non-sexual) passions in life are?

---Should I ask them which foreign country they would most like to visit-----England, Scotland, Wales, Ireland, Northern Ireland, Canada, Australia, Germany, Sweden, France, Greece, Iceland, Finland, Norway, Denmark, New Zealand, Spain, Italy, Czechoslovakia, or some other foreign nation?

---Should I ask them to complete the sentence, "My own greatest strength as a human being is..."?

---Should I ask them what their previous strictly-platonic (non-sexual) leisuretime-only involvements with older persons have been like?

---Should I ask them to please state which famous persons or other persons are the leading heroes or heroines from their own life?

---Should I ask them how they can tell whether a person is honest or not?

---Should I ask them to please tell me about the most difficult personal crisis they have endured in their life?

---Should I ask them what their all-time favorite "words of wisdom" or "wise sayings" or "words of advice" are that have been very helpful and inspirational to them in their own life?

---Should I ask them how much peer pressure they face, and how do they respond to or react to that peer pressure?

--Should I ask them if they agree or disagree with those who say that anyone over age 30 is untrustworthy or boring?

--Should I ask them if they have ever had a mischievous prank pulled on them that they were offended by?

--Should I ask them how they decide whether to trust another person?

--Should I ask them if they agree or disagree with those who say that someone in their teens or twenties cannot find "common ground" or "major points of agreement" with middle-aged persons other than their own relatives?

---Should I ask them what their outlook is toward the theme of competition?

---Should I ask them if they believe that they themselves have any enemies, and if so, how can they be sure about that, and how do they plan to respond to any such circumstance in which they believe they have one or more enemies? For instance, should they call the police and report suspicions of theirs about possible alleged criminal intent toward themselves by any cited "enemy"?

---Should I ask them to describe the happiest day or the happiest moment of their own life?

---Should I ask them to tell me about specific ways in which they themselves feel misunderstood by others?

---Should I ask them the last occasion they can recall having chuckled with delight, and what was the specific occasion that prompted the chuckling or delighted laughter from them?

---Should I ask them if they agree with those who say that there are two types of people on this planet, the winners and the losers, and if so, how would they describe what a winner is like and how would they define the term "loser"?

---Should I ask them which types of people or which specific persons have the greatest calming effect on themselves?

---Should I ask them to tell me what their actions would be if they were told that they have been appointed as "Ruler of the World" for one total day?

---Should I ask them if they would like to censor the beliefs and public statements of anyone in particular whose vantage point and opinions are significantly different from and incompatible with their own?

---Should I ask them what they are the most grateful for about their own life at present?

'STOP BEING SUCH A MANIPULATIVE CREEP!', GREG S. ADVISES ME IN AN E-MAILED CRAIGSLIST 'RANTS AND RAVES' SECTION REPLY NOTE INDICATING THAT GREG S. ASSUMES I AM OF COURSE SEEKING TO HAVE CARNAL RELATIONS WITH AN ADULT YOUNGER PERSON

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Today (Thursday, March 2, 2017) at 4:05 AM


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You should stop being such a creep. Get off welfare. If you're worth admiration by YOUR JOB and ABILITIES, you don't need to waste your life trying to manipulate others.

Right now, you're a loser asking how a loser like you grooms youngsters into vulnerability to sex.

Just pay an escort, get it out of your system if masterbating isn't cutting it.

And be sure to stay off viagra. That's for rapists and losers.

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Any advice on questions I should pose to an adult younger person? (Austin)


I am always of course expecting to make some mutual-consent personal friends in my leisuretime who are younger or significantly younger than myself.

As I wait for that development to occur, I would like to ask any of you if you have suggested comments I could make in my inevitable first-ever tea and conversation meeting with a legal-status-adult younger person in Austin during my and that younger person's leisuretime?

For instance:

---Should I ask them what their favorite hobbies or pastimes are?

---Should I ask them what their "dream career" or "ideal career" would be, if they could somehow pursue that type of career sooner than expected?

---Should I ask them which fruits and vegetables are their favorites?

---Should I ask them what their pet peeves are as a human being?

---Should I ask them whether they believe that someone has significantly wronged themselves, and if so, in which specific ways?

---Should I ask them whether they currently expect to be living in Austin or Central Texas five or 10 years from now?

---Should I ask them what they do for G-rated (non-sexual) fun?

---Should I ask them what their leading platonic (non-sexual) passions in life are?

---Should I ask them which foreign country they would most like to visit-----England, Scotland, Wales, Ireland, Northern Ireland, Canada, Australia, Germany, Sweden, France, Greece, Iceland, Finland, Norway, Denmark, New Zealand, Spain, Italy, Czechoslovakia, or some other foreign nation?

---Should I ask them to complete the sentence, "My own greatest strength as a human being is..."?

---Should I ask them what their previous strictly-platonic (non-sexual) leisuretime-only involvements with older persons have been like?

---Should I ask them to please state which famous persons or other persons are the leading heroes or heroines from their own life?

---Should I ask them how they can tell whether a person is honest or not?

---Should I ask them to please tell me about the most difficult personal crisis they have endured in their life?

---Should I ask them what their all-time favorite "words of wisdom" or "wise sayings" or "words of advice" are that have been very helpful and inspirational to them in their own life?

---Should I ask them how much peer pressure they face, and how do they respond to or react to that peer pressure?

--Should I ask them if they agree or disagree with those who say that anyone over age 30 is untrustworthy or boring?

--Should I ask them if they have ever had a mischievous prank pulled on them that they were offended by?

--Should I ask them how they decide whether to trust another person?

--Should I ask them if they agree or disagree with those who say that someone in their teens or twenties cannot find "common ground" or "major points of agreement" with middle-aged persons other than their own relatives?

---Should I ask them what their outlook is toward the theme of competition?

---Should I ask them if they believe that they themselves have any enemies, and if so, how can they be sure about that, and how do they plan to respond to any such circumstance in which they believe they have one or more enemies? For instance, should they call the police and report suspicions of theirs about possible alleged criminal intent toward themselves by any cited "enemy"?

---Should I ask them to describe the happiest day or the happiest moment of their own life?

---Should I ask them to tell me about specific ways in which they themselves feel misunderstood by others?

---Should I ask them the last occasion they can recall having chuckled with delight, and what was the specific occasion that prompted the chuckling or delighted laughter from them?

---Should I ask them if they agree with those who say that there are two types of people on this planet, the winners and the losers, and if so, how would they describe what a winner is like and how would they define the term "loser"?

---Should I ask them which types of people or which specific persons have the greatest calming effect on themselves?

---Should I ask them to tell me what their actions would be if they were told that they have been appointed as "Ruler of the World" for one total day?

---Should I ask them if they would like to censor the beliefs and public statements of anyone in particular whose vantage point and opinions are significantly different from and incompatible with their own?

---Should I ask them what they are the most grateful for about their own life at present?

OVERHEARD ON THE STREETS OF NEW YORK: ANOTHER IMAGINARY EAVESDROPPER'S REPORT, HAD I BEEN THERE TO TAPE-RECORD THEIR COMMENTS

---"What most worries me about Donald Trump as President is that he is America's most famous landlord. Having a famous and powerful landlord in the White House is going to give ammunition to all of the unbearably arrogant landlords out there who want to make life miserable for those of us who find it challenging to make our rent payments each month."

---"Maybe President Trump will establish a special lottery for us struggling apartment tenants who are always behind on paying our rent, and who need a special lottery of our own to increase our chances of winning enough money to get our rent paid for the next three-month period. That would be a big help to me, if I could win a special for-apartment-tenants-only lottery of that type."

---"President Trump is much more likely to invite a group of landlords to meet with him in the Oval Office than he is to meet with a group of us disgruntled apartment tenants. In my nightmares during my sleep, I often hear President Trump joking to his White House staff: 'I agree with Marie Antoinette: 'Let them eat crumbs!'"

---"Personally, I would like to get a statistic on what percentage of all of the illegal immigrants in the United States are NOT from Mexico. I have never seen that statistic, and it would be very useful to me when I have heated debates with friends of mine about this entire issue."

---"I have a friend in Cleveland who believes that Donald Trump in the White House is God's revenge on New York City. Everyone associates Trump with our very own Big Apple, and they regard Trump as New York at its most vulgar, most audacious,  most scandal-prone, most crassly materialistic, and most arrogant. According to my friend's theory, whenever Trump's approval ratings go down, this also means that New York's popularity ratings will plunge."